The Perfect Storm: An Omaha Hi/Lo Story
I bring you a very interesting, and very gratifying, hand from a recent Omaha Pot-limit Hi/Lo Sit-n-go tournament I participated in on PokerStars. Let’s set the scene:
Blinds are 50/100
Chip stacks and positions are as follows:
Seat 1: lastbraincel > 1,615 in chips
Seat 2: kahanapat > 417
Seat 3, Button: SYNW (your hero) > 1,850
Seat 4, SB: Lisa24 > 1,071
Seat 5, BB: SS_McKay > 2,014
Seat 6: jmm53 > 2,535
Seat 7: blackfrog > 2,141
Seat 8: dennis888 > 1,565
Seat 9: TAYLS77 > 1,094
Seat 10: feddog8 > 698
So the blinds go in and the cards are dealt. I get AsJsTs9s. This hand in my opinion is just ever so slightly south of good and does not get me overly excited. On the plus side is the suited Ace and the 9,T,J which opens up a lot of straight possibilities down the line, especially since you can afford to have a card counterfeited. Of course another plus for me is my position. On the negative side is the fact that they are all spades, reducing the possibility that I will get that nut flush. Also, this hand has no low hand possibilities. That last thing there is what probably makes this hand not a great hand in my opinion.
The key to Omaha Hi/Lo is trying to scoop pots, if you can either win a pot without a low hand or manage to take both sides of the hi/lo you are extremely happy. So my hand is a good hand to scoop in one of those scenarios, but not really in the other.
So, jmm53 calls, blackfrog folds, dennis888 calls, TAYLS77 folds, feddog8 folds, lastbraincel raises to 200, kahanapat raises to 417 and in all-in.
So it is 417 to me. As the pot currently stands I am getting about 2 to 1, but there are several other considerations. First the implied odds will be much better as I am sure of the five players remaining several of them will call. But there is a concern that with so many still to act the pot will get raised again, especially from lastbraincel, who threw in the first raise. I know I do not have the best starting hand, though Still, I have position and if he raises again the pot will become pretty big. It’s marginal, but I make the 417 call.
Everybody calls around to lastbraincel, who, as might have been expected, raises to 1,615 and is all-in. Well now the decision is pretty easy. It will cost me 1,198 and I am getting better than 3.5 to 1. And the implied odds are much better, surely there will be callers from the other four players, the pot is just getting too big to stay out. Of course, the flip side is, with so many people in my chances of winning diminish.
My experience with Omaha is this. Even the best starting hands are not monsters. The best had in Omaha hi/lo is A2A3 with the Aces suited with the 2 and the 3. This is a very good hand to be sure, but it is not nearly as dominating as AA is in Texas hold’em and it can easily be beat, especially if there is no low hand. So even in the worst case scenario, lastbraincel is not extremely dominating, and considering I have one of the Aces I don’t think he has a monster starting hand.
So, I call (although why I just didn’t push all in is a mystery), Lisa24 calls and is all-in, SS_McKay calls, jmm53 calls, and dennis888 calls and is all in.
So where do we stand. Four players are all-in, I have 235 left, SS_McKay has 399 left, jmm53 has 920 left, and the pot is at 9,513 (I think). This was just a hard hand for anybody to get away from, really, it appears. Still when we see the cards there were probably a couple of people who had an opportunity to get off their hand.
The flop comes Qd2sTh. Certainly not a dream flop, but still, some potential. There is the straight possibility with either a King or an 8. Of course, I did catch a spade, so that is not yet dead. And only one low card means that it might not be a split pot. Still, I need some help.
Nonetheless, with only 235 left I push all-in. SS_McKay raises his last 399, is all-in and of course jmm53 calls.
So let’s see what we have here. Six of the seven players are all-in, there are 5 side pots in addition to the main pot. The pot I am in play for has 10,218 ( the total pot is 10,546). This is not your usual hand to be sure.
The turn is 4s. Good and bad. The good of course is the spade, giving me 5 more outs. The bad: a low card. Not horrible, but a low spade or the 8–Q straight for me will probably be a split pot. It is pretty hard to evaluate though, because I could pair my Ace or possibly Jack and end up with two pair and that might be good enough to win, certainly good enough probably to get one or two of the side pots. So I have a lot of outs to stay alive, I feel. But as far as I can tell, only a King will give me the nuts. A King spades will give me the nuts all alone, any other King I might split the pot with a similar straight.
And here’s the river.
Ks!
Oh, sweet, sweet river! How I love you! The nut flush, the nuts, period! No low hand, the entire 10,218 is coming my way! There was a bit of a screamed “Yes!” and a fist pump to be sure. I had, basically, the perfect storm of a hand. I didn’t even need to see what the other players had, but let’s check it out anyway:
SS_McKay: Ah2c2h4s, he wins the final side pot with a set. Just 328, though. A2 tends to get played a lot, it a pretty good starting hand for low, although I think it gets overvalued a lot. So I think he played it fine, considering how the betting went.
jmm53: 7hQh8hJh, what he was doing in this hand, I don’t know. That hand is garbage. I guess it looks similar to mine, but there are some big differences. I have the Ace, I also have better straight possibilities. I also have position, although position becomes meaningless as the hand plays. I think he just got caught up in the pot odds at each stage of the betting.
lastbraincel: Kh3dAd2d, a very good starting hand and he bet it fine, in my opinion. However, I probably would not have made the all-in pre-flop raise, because the hand is still speculative.
dennis888: 8d6c4hAc, not a great hand, I think. I think he tried to get in a cheap flop and also became a victim of the building pot odds. I think between dennis888 and jmm53 there is a good object lesson. You have to realize that even though the pot odds are getting favorable, your hand is not good and you need to get away from it. You are clearly going to be second third or fourth best. Even my hand might marginally qualify, but I don’t think so.
Lisa24: JcQsKcJd, a good starting hand, very similar to mine in it’s possibilities, Better, actually, since it has the JJ. Probably should have raised all-in first chance, probably would have gotten a few people off their hands, maybe even me.
kahanapat: 7sQc3c6d, not a very good starting hand. But with the short stack, and so many people in the hand an all-in push is hard to argue with.
So, in retrospect, an Ace or a Jack would have given me a decent pot, although it would have given Lisa24 the best hand. Any King would have allowed me to win the entire pot.
What was the aftermath, four folks out, my stack at 10,218, the other stacks: 328, 521, 2,141, 1,094, 698. I hang on (heh) to win, personally taking out all but one of the remaining stacks.
A very exciting (and profitable) hand for me. (BTW, this was a very small buy-in, so I am not quite set to retire). Obviously a bit lucky, but in the end you gotta go with the odds.
Blinds are 50/100
Chip stacks and positions are as follows:
Seat 1: lastbraincel > 1,615 in chips
Seat 2: kahanapat > 417
Seat 3, Button: SYNW (your hero) > 1,850
Seat 4, SB: Lisa24 > 1,071
Seat 5, BB: SS_McKay > 2,014
Seat 6: jmm53 > 2,535
Seat 7: blackfrog > 2,141
Seat 8: dennis888 > 1,565
Seat 9: TAYLS77 > 1,094
Seat 10: feddog8 > 698
So the blinds go in and the cards are dealt. I get AsJsTs9s. This hand in my opinion is just ever so slightly south of good and does not get me overly excited. On the plus side is the suited Ace and the 9,T,J which opens up a lot of straight possibilities down the line, especially since you can afford to have a card counterfeited. Of course another plus for me is my position. On the negative side is the fact that they are all spades, reducing the possibility that I will get that nut flush. Also, this hand has no low hand possibilities. That last thing there is what probably makes this hand not a great hand in my opinion.
The key to Omaha Hi/Lo is trying to scoop pots, if you can either win a pot without a low hand or manage to take both sides of the hi/lo you are extremely happy. So my hand is a good hand to scoop in one of those scenarios, but not really in the other.
So, jmm53 calls, blackfrog folds, dennis888 calls, TAYLS77 folds, feddog8 folds, lastbraincel raises to 200, kahanapat raises to 417 and in all-in.
So it is 417 to me. As the pot currently stands I am getting about 2 to 1, but there are several other considerations. First the implied odds will be much better as I am sure of the five players remaining several of them will call. But there is a concern that with so many still to act the pot will get raised again, especially from lastbraincel, who threw in the first raise. I know I do not have the best starting hand, though Still, I have position and if he raises again the pot will become pretty big. It’s marginal, but I make the 417 call.
Everybody calls around to lastbraincel, who, as might have been expected, raises to 1,615 and is all-in. Well now the decision is pretty easy. It will cost me 1,198 and I am getting better than 3.5 to 1. And the implied odds are much better, surely there will be callers from the other four players, the pot is just getting too big to stay out. Of course, the flip side is, with so many people in my chances of winning diminish.
My experience with Omaha is this. Even the best starting hands are not monsters. The best had in Omaha hi/lo is A2A3 with the Aces suited with the 2 and the 3. This is a very good hand to be sure, but it is not nearly as dominating as AA is in Texas hold’em and it can easily be beat, especially if there is no low hand. So even in the worst case scenario, lastbraincel is not extremely dominating, and considering I have one of the Aces I don’t think he has a monster starting hand.
So, I call (although why I just didn’t push all in is a mystery), Lisa24 calls and is all-in, SS_McKay calls, jmm53 calls, and dennis888 calls and is all in.
So where do we stand. Four players are all-in, I have 235 left, SS_McKay has 399 left, jmm53 has 920 left, and the pot is at 9,513 (I think). This was just a hard hand for anybody to get away from, really, it appears. Still when we see the cards there were probably a couple of people who had an opportunity to get off their hand.
The flop comes Qd2sTh. Certainly not a dream flop, but still, some potential. There is the straight possibility with either a King or an 8. Of course, I did catch a spade, so that is not yet dead. And only one low card means that it might not be a split pot. Still, I need some help.
Nonetheless, with only 235 left I push all-in. SS_McKay raises his last 399, is all-in and of course jmm53 calls.
So let’s see what we have here. Six of the seven players are all-in, there are 5 side pots in addition to the main pot. The pot I am in play for has 10,218 ( the total pot is 10,546). This is not your usual hand to be sure.
The turn is 4s. Good and bad. The good of course is the spade, giving me 5 more outs. The bad: a low card. Not horrible, but a low spade or the 8–Q straight for me will probably be a split pot. It is pretty hard to evaluate though, because I could pair my Ace or possibly Jack and end up with two pair and that might be good enough to win, certainly good enough probably to get one or two of the side pots. So I have a lot of outs to stay alive, I feel. But as far as I can tell, only a King will give me the nuts. A King spades will give me the nuts all alone, any other King I might split the pot with a similar straight.
And here’s the river.
Ks!
Oh, sweet, sweet river! How I love you! The nut flush, the nuts, period! No low hand, the entire 10,218 is coming my way! There was a bit of a screamed “Yes!” and a fist pump to be sure. I had, basically, the perfect storm of a hand. I didn’t even need to see what the other players had, but let’s check it out anyway:
SS_McKay: Ah2c2h4s, he wins the final side pot with a set. Just 328, though. A2 tends to get played a lot, it a pretty good starting hand for low, although I think it gets overvalued a lot. So I think he played it fine, considering how the betting went.
jmm53: 7hQh8hJh, what he was doing in this hand, I don’t know. That hand is garbage. I guess it looks similar to mine, but there are some big differences. I have the Ace, I also have better straight possibilities. I also have position, although position becomes meaningless as the hand plays. I think he just got caught up in the pot odds at each stage of the betting.
lastbraincel: Kh3dAd2d, a very good starting hand and he bet it fine, in my opinion. However, I probably would not have made the all-in pre-flop raise, because the hand is still speculative.
dennis888: 8d6c4hAc, not a great hand, I think. I think he tried to get in a cheap flop and also became a victim of the building pot odds. I think between dennis888 and jmm53 there is a good object lesson. You have to realize that even though the pot odds are getting favorable, your hand is not good and you need to get away from it. You are clearly going to be second third or fourth best. Even my hand might marginally qualify, but I don’t think so.
Lisa24: JcQsKcJd, a good starting hand, very similar to mine in it’s possibilities, Better, actually, since it has the JJ. Probably should have raised all-in first chance, probably would have gotten a few people off their hands, maybe even me.
kahanapat: 7sQc3c6d, not a very good starting hand. But with the short stack, and so many people in the hand an all-in push is hard to argue with.
So, in retrospect, an Ace or a Jack would have given me a decent pot, although it would have given Lisa24 the best hand. Any King would have allowed me to win the entire pot.
What was the aftermath, four folks out, my stack at 10,218, the other stacks: 328, 521, 2,141, 1,094, 698. I hang on (heh) to win, personally taking out all but one of the remaining stacks.
A very exciting (and profitable) hand for me. (BTW, this was a very small buy-in, so I am not quite set to retire). Obviously a bit lucky, but in the end you gotta go with the odds.
